It a little sad to see this discussion group so dead. Maybe there are too many other areas to be involved in. Who knows. There is so many wrongs going on and as Peter Smith said there are only a few that actually get out there and are heard. It's a little hairy with what is going on in the Clean and Green country N.Z. Slowly but surely all our privacy is going to the dogs (Scuse me dogs it is only a figure of speach). What, with a digital car license, and police able to pull you over just because they feel like it.Scary eh! Ooooh and what about genetics, all our food is about to be zapped with unmentionables. An interesting point from the chap who blew the cover on Mad-Cow-Disease, it is the same one who's blowing the same on food genetics. When has science ever really helped mother nature. Every time humans introduce anything it becomes a monster. Where to next with RCD, ten or twenty years down the track, we become sick, who knows. If we have to put up with genetic arranged food, then we must be having trouble growing it at a natural level. Maybe too many wine crops. Maybe too many chemicals that the pest have become resisent to. Anyway enough already.See you...