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  1. #11
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    t's already halfway to becoming just another Absolute Write with the bouncy bear-shooting star-smiley freakin' face emoticrap and animation.


    (Just tryin' to drive Keithie Boy a little nutsy-poo.)

    But not to worry. There is a limit as to how many of these silly things we can post. According to the "administrator":

    "The maximum number that you may include is 4. Please correct the problem and then continue again.

    Images include use of smilies, the BB code [img] tag, and HTML <img> tags. Videos are included with the BB code [video] tag. The use of these is all subject to them being enabled by the administrator.
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  2. #12
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    Hi Rich! Nice to meet you! I echo all of the above statements. I've learned so much here but feel things are slipping away from what they once were, even when I joined in January.
    Amylou

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Bets View Post
    Hello, Rich! Pleasure to meet you.

    Just want you to know that our beloved ex-mod, Victoria, was working on getting her good friend, Stephen King, over this way for a little fireside chat among the members...
    Cindy, thanks for the warm welcome. I will definitely check with Victoria on the potential Stephen King visit. Look forward to working with you as well.

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    Welcome, Rich. I think it would be fine if WN regained a position of being a premier writing advice and discussion site. There were times when professionals in the field were engaged in advice and discussion here--and there have been best-sellers spawned from advice given here. Being a premier writing advice and discussion site doesn't mean it has to be a "community," though, as far as I'm concerned.

    The Internet needs sites where those seeking advice on writing and publishing can come for discussion with those with experience and expertise in this. Folks won't agree on everything--it's a wide-open industry as far as what works and what doesn't and it's volatile, ever changing. But the silliness of personal backbiting and irrelevant yammering continuously threatens to pull it down to just another chat room on the Internet. In that vein, I could do without Smoko and the CT here at all and I think the answer to keeping personal backbiting, flaming, and irrelevant "see the picture of my pet hamster" chit chat to a minimum is just to erase it when it begins to overshadow the writing and publishing advice. Quickest to go, I think would be the Smoko and CT flame warring. Trolls don't blossom where their efforts to flame are just extinguished.

    Think, though, that a moderator has to be knowledgeable enough of writing and publishing to know what comments on writing/publishing questions are constructive even if highly critical and to preserve the real service a site like WN can give--giving honest, constructive, knowledgeable (which doesn't mean all giving the advice will agree) writing/publishing advice. And, unfortunately, in this business "don't give up your day job" or "invest more of your own effort into it and take my spoon out of your mouth" is quite frequently constructive advice and not taking anything but "it's all pure gold" well as advice also is going to frequently happen. The publishing world isn't a kindergarten. A seeking author isn't going to get handholding and stroking unless she/he can deliver the goods without pushing the easy button. There's no reason why an advice Web site should make him/her think otherwise.

    Just my opinion on the Web site. Over the years I've invested quite a bit into making it a cut above the rest in the level of advice (and advisers). But I've come and gone based on the level of "community" politics and silliness. You can do what the owners of the site want to do with it and I'll gauge my participation proportionately. I do think that the more active members the site can get ginned up, the less of a closed community talking gerbils and what folks had for dinner--thus just like any other chat room on the Internet--it will be.
    Last edited by Gary Kessler; 09-07-2011 at 05:31 PM.

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    So, does this mean my posts will actually get approved now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitty Foyle View Post
    Howdy, Interim Moderator Rich!

    Not sure how you'd "increase traffic," but look at the numbers of the membership: 4,146 as we speak....
    Kitty, thanks, and yes I see we have a few thousand members but we don't have nearly as many active members. It appears in many cases that people join, post some work or a query letter, and then disappear. I'd like for newer members, especially writers seeking improvement/guidance/feedback, to stick around, learn and contribute. I'll be looking toward some of the senior members and heavy contributors to help execute that effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lea Zalas View Post
    Hi Rich! And welcome.

    All I ask is that you allow us to be ourselves. WN has never been known as the place to go if you want people to gush all over your writing. People who come here expecting to be told how great they are, soon learn exactly what they still need to learn.

    However, bullying should never be tolerated, and we can usually manage to beat down any would-be bully all by ourselves.

    One more thing, others have said this before, and I agree. The deletion of posts is a sore point here. There are several whom I agree with, that if you post something, own it and live up to it. Don't go crying to the moderator to delete one or all posts just because you don't like the response received. I vote that this issue needs to be revisited. All those in favor . . . hold up your electronic "aye!"
    Lea, thanks and know that I have no intention of asking anyone to be anything other than him/herself. Also, I won't delete any posts unless they are grossly offensive (e.g. racist, incendiary personal attacks, etc.), they're spam or have otherwise violated the rules established by the forum. I want to be clear that I don't have tolerance for bullying either, and while I'll leave much of the forum to self-policing, I will step in if I feel there's anything severely inappropriate occurring. Be yourself and don't worry about deletions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amy Lou View Post
    Hi Rich! Nice to meet you! I echo all of the above statements. I've learned so much here but feel things are slipping away from what they once were, even when I joined in January.
    Amylou
    I've been away for years and it all looks much the same to me. The new forum software is nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Kessler View Post
    I could do without Smoko and the CT here at all and I think the answer to keeping personal backbiting, flaming, and irrelevant "see the picture of my pet hamster" chit chat to a minimum is just to erase it when it begins to overshadow the writing and publishing advice. Quickest to go, I think would be the Smoko and CT flame warring. Trolls don't blossom where their efforts to flame are just extinguished.

    I do think that the more active members the site can get ginned up, the less of a closed community talking gerbils and what folks had for dinner--thus just like any other chat room on the Internet--it will be.
    You're a hard man, McGee. Savvy members are informed that Smoko and the CT forum are "Off Topic," and nobody's forcing them to sally forth into silliness and time wasting, right? Pass on by, free will, and all that.

    Leslee, Jena and others, what do you think? If WN banishes Smoko and CT, that means no more political discussion, game-playing, tuna talk...no more *gulp* woo-woo threads (to ignore).

    And how boring that would be.

    *_*

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    Obviously I enjoy Smoko and CT, or I wouldn't participate in those forums. They can be a lot of fun, and I've learned interesting things from the posters there. I like the goofball threads. As a group, we've got a freakin' great sense of humor. I like to talk about what we ate and where we went. It's fun for me. In times of stress - like the recent storms - I think it provides some comfort when we "talk" to each other as things are happening. I loved the late-night chats we used to have. There have been "conversation" forums on WN since I started participating (a hundred years ago, when I was young). If people don't want to post there, they don't have to. I would miss them.

    But Gary's entitled to his opinion, and I understand it as well. There are days in which we barely talk about writing at all. And I do miss the higher level of activity in the writing forums. There used to be lots of agent letters and portions of text to read and comment about. I like that, too. I do think it elevates the site when we discuss writing and share with each other as writers. I am very appreciative of all the assistance I've received here with my questions, however lame they may be. As I always say, we aren't born knowing all this stuff. It's good to share what we know.

    I don't like bickering and fighting in any forum, even though I do get sucked into it sometimes. But the lively exchange of opinions? Yes. I think that's cool.
    Last edited by leslee; 09-07-2011 at 06:30 PM.

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