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  1. #1
    Book Werm
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    Punctuation again

    I submitted this sentence before and below seemed the best suggestion. But I'm uncomfortable with the period outside of grandpa quotes. Is there a definitive answer.


    No one called Molly and Abraham Natan Schiller "mama" and "papa" or "grandma" and "grandpa".



  2. #2
    Jeanne Gassman
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    Re: Punctuation again

    Are you British or American? It makes a difference where the quotes go. American punctuation dictates that all periods and commas go inside the quotes. For American style, your sentence would read:

    No one called Molly and Abraham Schiller "mama" and "papa" or "grandma" and "grandpa."

    Jeanne

  3. #3
    John Oberon
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    Re: Punctuation again

    Jeanne,

    I know that's the rule in America, but I never went for the ALWAYS inside the quote rule. I personally place the punctuation inside the quote only if it is a part of the quote or affects the meaning of the quote. This applies primarily to dialogue. But with individual word or phrase quotations where the punctuation is not part of the quote and doesn't affect the meaning of the quote, I always place the punctuation outside the quotes. So:

    He said, "You stupid fool! You're not too smart, are you? Give me that."

    but

    He said things like "stupid", "fool", and "not too smart".

    What do you think of that reasoning?

  4. #4
    Jean Bonifacios
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    Re: Punctuation again

    What about?

    He said things like 'stupid', 'fool', and 'not too smart'.

    Can you use those instead of quotes? Or am I really the fool?

  5. #5
    Jeanne Gassman
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    Re: Punctuation again

    John,

    What do I think? You just don't ignore rules of grammar because you don't like them. Sorry, but I don't agree.

    Bookworm, this site has excellent examples, and Jean, you would still put the period inside the single quotes:

    <http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/577/03/>

    Hope that helps.

    Jeanne

  6. #6
    Gary Kessler
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    Re: Punctuation again

    I know that's the rule in America, but I never went for the ALWAYS inside the quote rule. I personally place the punctuation inside the quote only if it is a part of the quote or affects the meaning of the quote.

    Readers, please note that these are just John's personal preference from lack of training or being willing to follow authorities. This isn't anything a U.S. publisher would do.

    Jeanne's sentence rendering is standard.

    In U.S. style, the first level of quotes is always the double quote, so Jean's example doesn't fly in U.S. style. It might in British style, which has more complicted conventions on both quote levels and punctuation in relationship to quotes.

  7. #7
    Rogue Mutt
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    Re: Punctuation again

    Ha, we can rewrite punctuation of quote marks, but don't mess with commas! That $20/hour I didn't spend just keeps looking better.

  8. #8
    Jean Bonifacios
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    Re: Punctuation again

    LOL

  9. #9
    Jean Bonifacios
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    Re: Punctuation again

    Hey Jeanne, would the single quote go outside of a comma too?

  10. #10
    Jeanne Gassman
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    Re: Punctuation again

    Hey Jeanne, would the single quote go outside of a comma too?

    Yes.

    Jeanne

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