Who needs a job? |
Author: Ro Lefwyn (---.lnngmi.dedicated.static.tds.net)
Date: 07-18-08 15:03
Who needs a job?
There's one available.
I'd like to hire a Muslim person . I understand they must bury their dead before sunset on the day the person dies , therefore are less likely to take three weeks off for a death during their probabtionary period (one week while family member was dying, another week to make arrangements, and then another to...uh attend the funeral?) Am I uncompassionate? Maybe.
But I can't hire a Muslim based on that. (sigh). I mean I could hire a Muslim person but because they are qualified not because they are Muslim and will bury their dead right away. No compassion but some common sense...
Why can't this position be filled. It's a receptionist position but is referred to as a '@!#$' job because everyone in the office dumps their superfleousities on you. Well the phone don't ring ALL the time, you want something to do between rings don't you?
Yes okay its a @!#$ job, mostly my '@!#$' but in lots of parts of the country receptionists don't make 30k a year, and they don't get all the o/t they want. Economy is hard, jobs are scarce, why is it so hard to keep people at the front desk?
Okay put the Muslim thing aside,(I was only kidding anyway) . How about someone who is hungry, has bills and NEEDS the job and doesn't have a husband or boyfriend or trust fund to fall back on when they get tired of the grind. Single mother with needy kids with bills to pay? Would they be interested in something like that?
What do you do? I'm tired of these women who don't need a job coming in, playing at the job, and then leaving because its not what they 'like' doing. How many people have that choice anymore?
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Re: Who needs a job? |
Author: Ro Lefwyn (---.lnngmi.dedicated.static.tds.net)
Date: 07-18-08 15:05
Hire a man?
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Re: Who needs a job? |
Author: L C (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: 07-18-08 16:02
"Economy is hard, jobs are scarce, why is it so hard to keep people at the front desk?"
Maybe you are a poor judge of good candidates. Are there commonalities in the people you're hiring? People who work for "pin money" are usually bad bets, in my experience. Are you attracting and hiring pin money types?
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Re: Who needs a job? |
Author: L C (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: 07-18-08 16:02
"Economy is hard, jobs are scarce, why is it so hard to keep people at the front desk?"
Maybe you are a poor judge of good candidates. Are there commonalities in the people you're hiring? People who work for "pin money" are usually bad bets, in my experience. Are you attracting and hiring pin money types?
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Re: Who needs a job? |
Author: Gravity Fades (---.43.18.203.nw.nuvox.net)
Date: 07-18-08 17:05
Wow, man, that's harsh. Ro's asking some legitimate questions. Perhaps you need to dial it back just a little.
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Re: Who needs a job? |
Author: Ro Lefwyn (---.sub-75-219-25.myvzw.com)
Date: 07-18-08 21:00
Unfortunately I don't make the final choice.
I don't mean to be harsh, I'm honestly puzzled why, when I hear people crying , rightfully, they can't find a decent salary job, they interveiew for the position and then make this face like they were offered a job cleaning out a sewer.It's not a demeaning job, its a hub job, many people are depending on you.
Honestly what is it that people want? its not thrilling, it's not like publishing a novel or starring in a movie but let's be realistic, how many people are landing jobs like that? Not thrilling but not horrible. Nice employees/ employers, perks, a nice office--a nice family company--the owners ACTUALLY care about you-- and all I hear is that it's a @!#$ job. It's a SOLID job--you won't lose it (if you make a effort) and likely you'll be promoted in a few months if you do well. It is somewhat stressful but come on, its not brain surgery. I worked it for a few months and was promptly promoted into an executive position.
Maybe it's my area--very scarce in jobs, and yours is different? Is Michigan the only state where the unemployhment rate is escalating as fast as how finicky people are about their employment? The media overplaying the unemployment rate? No one has a work ethic? I'm serious when I feel like I should look for starving people who would be grateful for the opportunity.
I posted this at another site and someone suggested I hire and elderly person who remembers why you have a job? ethic is.
Comments?
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Re: Who needs a job? |
Author: L C (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: 07-19-08 08:22
Ro, Americans have huge entitlement mentalities. We think we're entitled to cheap gas, houses we can't afford, the government to bail out our mistakes, and so forth. This carries over to the job sector.
Seems like every day I read an article quoting an unemployed person whining that because s/he has a college degree, s/he should have a "good job." Who told them that? These articles are followed by stories of Americans "cutting back" by brown-bagging their lunch instead of spending $50/week as they previously did, and feeling all proud about it.
So, what do you expect? Again, I would look for commonalities in the people you're hiring, and perhaps target different types.
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Re: Who needs a job? |
Author: Xavier Onassis (---.dhcp.embarqhsd.net)
Date: 07-19-08 10:55
Ro
Use the four-phrase mantra on the job itself and the people in the office. I tell you, it works.
XO
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Re: Who needs a job? |
Author: Beautiful Loser (---.dllstx.fios.verizon.net)
Date: 07-19-08 11:31
Yes okay its a @!#$ job, mostly my '@!#$' but in lots of parts of the country receptionists don't make 30k a year, and they don't get all the o/t they want. Economy is hard, jobs are scarce, why is it so hard to keep people at the front desk?
I think you just answered your own question, ro.
People are lazy. They expect big salaries, benefits, and don't want to work overtime. Would you? I mean if you were a single parent, would you take away time from your children/family for $30k? I wouldn't.
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Re: Who needs a job? |
Author: L C (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: 07-19-08 15:10
"I mean if you were a single parent, would you take away time from your children/family for $30k? I wouldn't."
What would they do instead?
BTW, most single parents I know work very hard to keep their jobs. It's mostly the SAHMs who want pin money when their kids go to school who are the most unreliable.
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Re: Who needs a job? |
Author: Beautiful Loser (---.dllstx.fios.verizon.net)
Date: 07-19-08 15:18
My eldest daughter is a single woman who is working full-time and will soon be one of the single-parent households. She doesn't make $30k, but fortunately she has a family who will help her with child care costs, etc. If she didn't have family, she'd be on welfare I suppose.
FWIW, I'm a full-time stay-at-home mom. I don't make a lot of money, but the benefits of staying at home, raising my children, etc. far outweigh the monies I would earn if I worked for an employer. Besides, I enjoy the flexibility and I don't have the additional aggravation of driving [which would be at least 4 hours daily] expenses, child care costs, etc. Not to mention, someone less responsible than myself would be caring for my children.
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Re: Who needs a job? |
Author: L C (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: 07-19-08 16:26
BL, my post wasn't addressing the benefits of being a SAHM. I don't care who works and who doesn't. My point was that, IME, women who have been home for years and then seek jobs while the kids are at school are the ones who last a month and quit. They get upset when they find out they need to stay for X number of hours, produce work, and be accountable to someone else for the quality of that work. They get outraged if they're not given hours off to attend children's events, and then take the hours off anyhow, no matter what needs to be done at the office. I've seen it so many times that I, personally, wouldn't even look at the resume of a "been home for 10 years, now ready to work!" type. I'd just circular-file it.
I'd take the single mom any day.
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Re: Who needs a job? |
Author: Beautiful Loser (---.dllstx.fios.verizon.net)
Date: 07-19-08 16:58
What does "I don't care who works and who doesn't" supposed to mean? Are you trying to say that a SAHM doesn't work? Please!
Anyhow, if I were Ro, I'd hire a single person who isn't married and doesn't have kids. They're more likely to work hours on end, without taking off for personal matters, etc.
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Re: Who needs a job? |
Author: L C (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: 07-19-08 17:15
If you aren't providing a good or service for people outside your household, then, no, you don't work. Sorry. I am not interested in hearing a run-down of your day, either, which will include all the same tasks that working people do.
As for the reliability of young, childless singles, all data on the subject show that the Millenials are the least inclined of all generations to work the kind of hours their baby boomer parents do/did.
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Re: Who needs a job? |
Author: Beautiful Loser (---.dllstx.fios.verizon.net)
Date: 07-19-08 17:44
Really? You're full of @!#$. I'm part owner of a business in the automotive sales industry and both my husband and I work our asses off 24/7/365.
But, hey, you've got your data, so run with it and hire the most qualified employee for the job.
Good luck.
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Re: Who needs a job? |
Author: Lily (---.net)
Date: 07-19-08 17:47
"If you aren't providing a good or service for people outside your household, then, no, you don't work. Sorry."
Good grief. Tell that to anyone who cooks meals, does laundry, cleans the house, shops for groceries AND looks after children AS WELL!
And let me tell you, the truly valuable work, which includes environmental activism, volunteering and bringing up children, is all UNPAID!
Our stressed out planet and tattered social system wouldn't last a day without it.
Don't work, indeed.
You're obviously classifying any unpaid labour as not *really* work. By this yardstick, a hooker or drug dealer is *really* working, while a respectable woman toiling day and night inside her on own home is not.
Get a grip.
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Re: Who needs a job? |
Author: L C (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: 07-19-08 17:59
Lily, I thought it was evident that the thread was about finding someone to do a job -WORK- as in provide services to the office for pay.
Yes, cooking meals for your family is "work" in the way that all physical labor is work. Calories are expended. But nobody in the OP's office counts on you to do that, cares that you do that, and benefits from you doing that. They're doing that too, when they get home. Can you understand that?
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Re: Who needs a job? |
Author: Lily (---.net)
Date: 07-19-08 18:40
"They're doing that too, when they get home."
Well actually, no. Many are hiring others as housekeepers and babysitters. Nobody can do it all. There are only so many hours in a day. I would, however, question the values of women, with partners, who pay someone else to look after their kids, rather than staying home and doing one of the most important jobs in the world, themselves. Move into a smaller house, do without that second car, etc. But be there for your kids, in a way a paid employee, never can.
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Re: Who needs a job? |
Author: Naomi B. (---.sip.asm.bellsouth.net)
Date: 07-19-08 18:47
This is interesting. What does the ad for the job say and in what kind of places/venues/papers/whatever are you placing the ad? Maybe it is not hitting your desired target audience..?
N.
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Re: Who needs a job? |
Author: L C (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: 07-19-08 19:12
"Well actually, no. Many are hiring others as housekeepers and babysitters"
So do many SAHMs.
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Re: Who needs a job? |
Author: Christian Fletcher (---.range86-158.btcentralplus.com)
Date: 07-19-08 19:37
Ro, you need to play rugby for a living like your Welsh ancestors!
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Re: Who needs a job? |
Author: Lily (---.net)
Date: 07-19-08 19:59
LC
I say three cheers for mothers who don't dump their kids at a sitter. Who put them first. Who are always there for them. And for doing the socially responsible thing. Far too many "latch-key round the neck" kids end up on drugs and in trouble. Why have kids if you don't want to stay at home and bring them up? It doesn't make a whole lot of sense, to me.
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Re: Who needs a job? |
Author: Amanda Brenner (---.159.173.123.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net)
Date: 07-20-08 16:08
"but is referred to as a '@!#$' job because everyone in the office dumps their superfleousities on you"
Maybe this has something to do with it. Take care of every stupid thing dumped on you by everyone under the sun who thinks they are the only person you work for and who wants their stuff back before immediately, do it with a smile and endless patience and grace--and don't ever, under any circumstances, miss a call from a phone that never, ever, ever, stops ringing.
Gee, you think?
AB
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Re: Who needs a job? |
Author: L C (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: 07-20-08 17:49
AB, it all pays the same, doesn't it? When someone shows up to work, aren't they expected to, well, work? I don't know what "superfleousities" means; I imagine if they were asked to do it, the person asking thought it needed to be done.
Are they being asked to do this stuff on their own time? That would be a different issue.
At my workplace there are two secretaries (excuse me, "admninistrative assistants") who have actually fought over whose job it was to do a simple task. In the time these 50-something women fought, the job could have been done (which it eventually was, but not by them). I'm sure there's a relationship between their attitude and their situation in life. They'll never see it, though.
As a side note, one left for another department because she said she wasn't being kept busy enough in her current one. LOL
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Re: Who needs a job? |
Author: L C (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: 07-21-08 09:18
" Why have kids if you don't want to stay at home and bring them up?"
Lily, I'm just curious here ...have you asked their husbands that same question? I'd love to know their responses.
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Re: Who needs a job? |
Author: Ro Lefwyn (---.lnngmi.dedicated.static.tds.net)
Date: 07-21-08 11:04
I'd love to stay home with my kid and I did for quite a long time before the econonmy drove me back into the nine to five life. Strange thing about kids they require, food, clothing and other things that cost money. Because I like to set a good example I figured getting a regular job was better than selling my body. (but that hasn't been ruled entirely out of the question either....)
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Re: Who needs a job? |
Author: Ro Lefwyn (---.lnngmi.dedicated.static.tds.net)
Date: 07-21-08 11:09
Are they being asked to do this stuff on their own time?
Nope. They get a lot of odd jobs to do, which seems to breed resentment for some reason. For my part, I always thought the odd odd job was sort of a break from the daily routine. Odd but necessary. I try to couch superflous stuff like this in terms so it doesn't seem so superflous...."If this isn't done in X amount of time, I won't get paid on behalf of the company and this eventually has a trickle down effect of not being able to do payroll and if I can't do payroll you won't get paid."
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Re: Who needs a job? |
Author: Stacy Copping (---.hsd1.ga.comcast.net)
Date: 07-21-08 11:10
Ro,
A couple years ago, when the economy was better than it is now, I had the best receptionist. I'm also a real estate appraiser. My receptionist handled all my calls, appointments, disputes, garbage, etc. etc. etc, and he did it for less than 30k per year. Actually, I paid him nothing. At least, no currency exchanged hands. He is my husband. Now that the real estate market has crashed and burned, I am an at-home-mom doing what I always wanted to do, write. My husband now works for less than half of what I previously brought home. He works diligently for pennies so his family can eat and not live in our truck. I would expect a family man or woman to make a better employee because they have people depending on that paycheck.
I would think that, in this economy, it would be easy to find workers. Surprisingly, my husband complains on a daily basis, that they can't keep decent employees either. Strange.
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Re: Who needs a job? |
Author: Stacy Copping (---.hsd1.ga.comcast.net)
Date: 07-21-08 11:27
I know. Take the commas out of my last sentence.
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Re: Who needs a job? |
Author: Beautiful Loser (---.dllstx.fios.verizon.net)
Date: 07-21-08 13:00
We've got the same problems with keeping employees in our business. Good help is hard to find.
I don't know what the economy is like in Michigan, but where I live, $30k for a salaried receptionist is pretty damn good pay IMHO.
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Re: Who needs a job? |
Author: Denise G (---.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net)
Date: 07-28-08 02:35
There you go again, Vicky, talking to yourself.
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