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Author: J G (---.norf.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-17-08 17:55
ROFL - that was pretty damned funny.
I just hope people know the guy playing the producer is blatantly edited into that clip.
There wasn't anything on the real prompter.
But yeah, I like good 'ole Bill. He fights like hell for kids and doesn't let folks get away with spin.
And how old was the O'Reilly footage? 20 years or so?
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Author: Kick TheNoob (---.socal.res.rr.com)
Date: 05-17-08 18:10
That was hilarious, especially the end. You just know they had to do a dance remix though, i found this gem first on the huffingtonpost
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5j2YDq6FkVE
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Author: Ryan McManigal (---.prod-infinitum.com.mx)
Date: 05-17-08 18:32
haha, nice! I needed a good laugh. I almost want to put the remix on my ipod.
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Author: Xavier Onassis (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: 05-17-08 18:55
The first link didn't work. I think this is the same thing on You Tube. Very funny!
The dance remix rules, too.
Here's another great clip of Bill O'Reilly OWNED. It shows what an utterly hateful, humorless, egotistical assclown he really is.
XO
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Author: Liza B. (---.c3-0.avec-ubr15.nyr-avec.ny.cable.)
Date: 05-17-08 18:59
Great link, Jayce! :D
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Author: Liza B. (---.c3-0.avec-ubr15.nyr-avec.ny.cable.)
Date: 05-17-08 19:07
"Here's another great clip of Bill O'Reilly OWNED. It shows what an utterly hateful, humorless, egotistical assclown he really is."
You left out dickhead. Colbert knocked the ball outta the park!
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Author: J G (---.norf.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-17-08 19:52
Colbert and O'Reilly have a great relationship and this was clearly a comedy sketch... geeze
Tell me.. Why do you (Liza and Xavier) hate O'Reilly so much?
And not just "well, he said this and that.." Actual examples would be great. Thanks!
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Author: Ryan McManigal (---.prod-infinitum.com.mx)
Date: 05-17-08 20:26
Colbert is a sharp little SOB. lol, he would be a tough one to handle in a debate on tv. O'Reilly looked like a deer in the head lights.
I don't watch O'Reilly but it seemed like the pronunciation of Colbert's name was a insignificant thing to dwell on. Different countries pronounce people's names differently, my name sounds completely different if read by Spanish speakers for instance, and pretty much all of our names would.
I kind of like my Spanish sounding name better actually. Maybe I'll use it. haha
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Author: Xavier Onassis (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: 05-17-08 20:43
Colbert and O'Reilly have a great relationship and this was clearly a comedy sketch...
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. O'Reilly wasn't joking, he thought he was going to kick Colbert's butt, and did everything he could to do so.
I wouldn't say I "hate" him. I just have no respect for him because he's a mean spirited, obnoxious bully. I think it's funny when bullies get taken down.
XO
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Author: J G (---.norf.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-17-08 23:28
Xavier,
The Colbert/O'Reilly segment was a pre-planned comedy sketch. It wasn't a debate.
Liza,
You did a google search on "Bill O'Reilly is a pompous blowhard" and offer that search engine result as proof? Sorry, but the fact that you think Bill Clinton got kicked out of office (as you said in the other thread), and the fact that Bill doesn't let people from EITHER side of the aisle spin their way out of answering questions and fights hard for kids, among other things doesn't change my opinion.
Unless you actually want to provide specifics? Let me know.
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Author: Xavier Onassis (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: 05-18-08 08:12
The Colbert/O'Reilly segment was a pre-planned comedy sketch. It wasn't a debate.
I didn't say it was a debate. It was pre-planned in that they made arrangements for it to happen.
I'd like to see what you have to support that it was a big wink wink and O'Reilly agreed to be pantsed on his own show. It's pretty obvious from watching it that that's not what happened.
XO
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Author: Xavier Onassis (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: 05-18-08 08:39
I don't watch O'Reilly but it seemed like the pronunciation of Colbert's name was a insignificant thing to dwell on.
Ryan,
He dwelled on that because he was trying to catch Colbert being pretentious. O'Reilly himself is a pretentious, pompous prick, so he figures Colbert is too. He gets that Colbert is skewering him nightly, and yet he can't stop him from doing it, nor can he bring Colbert down to his level. OWNED.
XO
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Author: Liza B. (---.c3-0.avec-ubr15.nyr-avec.ny.cable.)
Date: 05-18-08 09:25
"Unless you actually want to provide specifics? Let me know."
LOL. If 211,000 links filled with specifics aren't good enough, then I can't help you!
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Author: J G (---.norf.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-18-08 10:37
Xavier,
If you watched O'Reilly with any regularity, you'd know that the Colbert/O'Reilly segment was supposed to be for fun only. But, no, go ahead and continue to think he got "OWNED." lol.. (I only use that term when I kill imaginary people in computer games, but, hey...)
Liza,
211,000 articles returned in a search engine result is not specifics, but go ahead and keep avoiding providing any specific examples--it's ok, really! And, also go ahead and keep believing Bill Clinton got kicked out of office! lol
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Author: Liza B. (---.c3-0.avec-ubr15.nyr-avec.ny.cable.)
Date: 05-18-08 10:57
"...but go ahead and keep avoiding providing any specific examples"
Dude, you really should be a big boy about this, and learn to do your own research. I don't have the time or interest in doing it for you. Again, there are thousands of "specifics" in the links I provided for you......but obviously, the real reason you don't click on them is because your mind is already made-up, and what you'd read would knock O'Reilly off your pedestal faster than a cat trying to take a piss on the freeway.
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Author: J G (---.norf.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-18-08 11:03
Liza,
Stop being you. I asked YOU why YOU hate him.
A search engine result is a copout.
WHY do you not like him?!
LOL!
Do you think he got Clinton kicked out of office or something?
LOL!
ANSWER
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Author: Ryan McManigal (---.prod-infinitum.com.mx)
Date: 05-18-08 11:20
The O'Reilly/Colbert video did not look like a skit to me. Why would O'Reilly approve the skit to have himself embarrassed on his own show?
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Author: J G (---.norf.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-18-08 11:22
...because...
it's comedy.
Haven't you seen O'Reilly's follow-up appearance on Colbert's show?
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Author: Xavier Onassis (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: 05-18-08 11:41
The O'Reilly/Colbert video did not look like a skit to me.
That's because it wasn't. Supporters of O'Reilly have intense myopia.
XO
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Author: Ryan McManigal (---.prod-infinitum.com.mx)
Date: 05-18-08 11:41
No, I actually looked for it but didn't find it right away and lost interest. If you have it, I'd like to see it.
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Author: J G (---.norf.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-18-08 11:43
Xavier,
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
O'Reilly had been talking that segment up for days before Colbert appeared, and he then later appeared on Colbert...
It was friggin' comedy people. Geeze.
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Author: Mark Phillips (---.64-250-134.bignet.net)
Date: 05-18-08 12:06
JG,
Even though I'm not a big fan of Bill O'Reilly I do watch his show regularly. I'll start off by saying that I don't hate him like some others on here claim, but he is obnoxious at times, a bully most of the time and completely right wing, despite his "no spin" pledge.
That being said, JG, I've never seen Bill doing tongue in cheek satire on his show (which is what the Colbert segment would have been if it was indeed planned to go the way it went) and you have no evidence to support your claim so I think you're wrong on here.
Colbert and O'Reilly do not have a "great relationship" which is something else you said that there is no evidence for. They simply agreed to do an interview on each other's show.
If you watch O'Reilly regularly you would know how much he can't stand Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert. He talks about them all the time with his pal Geraldo on the air. About how only stoners watch their shows and how they laugh at old ladies falling down and stuff.
It just pisses him off that his show doesn't get as high of ratings as Colbert.
Mark
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Author: J G (---.norf.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-18-08 12:16
Mark,
I don't think you do watch his show regularly, because he is not completely right wing. His views on issues stray right, and left. He's also a registered independent.
I have no evidence to support my claim that it was a comedy sketch? You have no evidence to support it wasn't.
Having said that, I'll propose again that it was indeed a comedy sketch. Anyone with a brain stem knows when someone is setting someone else up for a joke. It was a frigging comedy sketch.
He does make fun of Jon Stewart's viewers, but not Jon Stewart. He has had Jon Stewart on many times.
And Mark, do you have numbers of viewers for the various shows in question here? If you look it up, O'Reilly does get higher ratings than Colbert.
I still have yet to see anyone respond in this thread telling me why they personally dislike O'Reilly, or what issues they take issue with O'Reilly on.
Please, (how ironic that I'm about to say this considering the subject matter), but please stop spinning people and someone tell me why they take issue with O'Reilly and his views other than he's a nasty meanie-head. lol
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Author: Liza B. (---.c3-0.avec-ubr15.nyr-avec.ny.cable.)
Date: 05-18-08 12:23
Here's an O'Reilly classic.
Bill O'Reilly puts the blame on 15 year-old kidnap victim Shawn Hornbeck for failing to escape, even suggesting that he enjoyed his captivity.
Hornbeck's kidnapper, Michael Devilin, later admitted in court that he had indeed tortured, sexually abused and threatened to kill Hornbeck and his family if the boy tried to escape.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9177710093992294742&q=bill+o%27reilly+shawn+hornbeck&ei=cWAwSPejO4eIrgKwm-iNCg&hl=en
PS Mark: I never said that I "hated" O'Reilly. That's JG's word. I wouldn't waste my energy.
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Author: J G (---.norf.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-18-08 12:26
Liza,
That's the same, one and only thing you've ever brought up...
What about his stances on issues and political policy?
What about those do you disagree with?
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Author: Liza B. (---.c3-0.avec-ubr15.nyr-avec.ny.cable.)
Date: 05-18-08 12:30
Bill O'Reilly attacks 9/11 victim's son, Jeremy Glick. This video also includes commentaries by Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, Al Franken, and others.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2IwIRNM5noY
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Author: Xavier Onassis (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: 05-18-08 12:32
I told you flat out why I dislike Bill O'Reilly. He's a mean spirited, hateful, belligerent bully. Other than that, no particular reason. You seem to feel that his extra obnoxious personality doesn't constitute a solid reason to dislike someone. Most people do.
Very, very wacky that you see him as in any way centrist. Myopia and denial are my guess as to how that flows logically.
As Mark also pointed out, the man never does any kind of lighthearted stuff or ::gasp:: self-parody. If you have any clips of him being humble or kind, please post them. If you can't see from the look on his face and the tone in his voice that he was going for the jugular, so be it. He's egotistical enough to think he was going to do it. That's how *ssclown got OWNED, on his own show.
As for his willingness to "play nice," the description for his show starts with something like "Dominating Cable TV." The only word I'm sure of is "dominating," because I really don't watch or listen to him (or Rush Limbaugh). That's for the same reason I don't stand around and sniff dogsh*t when I see it on the sidewalk.
XO
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Author: J G (---.norf.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-18-08 12:36
Liza,
You do know that Jeremy Glick was using the names of dead soldiers to sell t-shirts, right?
Do you agree with that?
Xavier,
I've never defended his personality...
I've just been curious as to what stances he takes on policy that you disagree with?
Ever want to mention some? If I hated everyone who had a bad personality from time to time would make me a very lonely person...
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Author: Ryan McManigal (---.prod-infinitum.com.mx)
Date: 05-18-08 13:13
Well from what I've seen I don't like him now either. He loves the sound of his own voice too much and is a bully. If I was Glick I would have had a hard time not knocking his ass out towards the end of the interview. He's completely self absorbed and disrespectful.
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Author: Mark Phillips (---.64-250-134.bignet.net)
Date: 05-18-08 13:51
JG,
I do watch the show nearly every night, I've also listened to his radio program. He is not a centrist, he is right wing, it's pretty easy to see that if you watch him, as for being a registered independent, I believe that it was Al Franken that pointed out that that wasn't the case, that he was a registered republican.
Mark
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Author: Mark Phillips (---.64-250-134.bignet.net)
Date: 05-18-08 14:14
JG,
I'm looking for the video where he attacks Stewart and Colbert, I can't find it but I've seen it on the Daily show at least twice. He says something like "They live in a world where they show a video of an old lady falling down and laugh, that's their little insignificant world." Something to that effect.
I think Colbert and Stewart get a kick out of nailing O'Reilly and I think O'Reilly is just annoyed by them. I don't think he plays along in their jokes, why would he? He's supposed to be a serious pundit, not a jokester.
Mark
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Author: Xavier Onassis (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: 05-18-08 14:44
I've never defended his personality...
OK, and I've never said anything about him other than I don't like his personality and the way he treats people.
I've just been curious as to what stances he takes on policy that you disagree with? Ever want to mention some?
No, that's another little homework assignment you've given me that I'm not interested in. The guy's a bully. I don't like him. I'm put off enough by his demeanor to not want to waste any time at all listening to him. Is that OK with you? Or does everybody have to play your game by your rules all the time?
If I hated everyone who had a bad personality from time to time would make me a very lonely person...
That's the second time you've put the word "hate" in my mouth. But that's OK, because that's how you can twist me into a lonely person. Make up whatever little reality works for you, just like O'Reilly getting spanked by Colbert was a joke he was in on.
XO
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Author: Xavier Onassis (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: 05-18-08 15:15
Liza,
That's the same, one and only thing you've ever brought up...
What about his stances on issues and political policy?
What about those do you disagree with?
Um, criticizing a kidnapped child for not knowing how to handle the situation? Holy douchebaggery, Batman!
So a shark ripped your leg off, but other than that it's a pretty nice beach, isn't it? I mean do you have any specific issues with the access road or the bathrooms? Of course not. It's just you being a beach hater.
XO
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Author: J G (---.nrflva.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-18-08 15:43
Mark P.,
Al Franken, the same guy that owes back taxes? The same radical left Air America guy?
Xavier,
I'm not saying you're using the word hate. I'm using that word. Stop being so dramatic.
Here folks, let me help you all out a bit.
I'm a Christian. Yay. I believe in equal legal rights for same-gender unions. I agree with most aspects of evolution. I agree with common-sense gun control. I'm pro-choice.
I see most of that supported on Bill O'Reilly's show.
I think most of you don't like him just because he bully's people who try to spin their way out of B.S.
So what? Grow a pair. I "hate" (my word, Xavier) BS. Don't you?
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Author: J G (---.nrflva.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-18-08 15:46
*bullies
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Author: Xavier Onassis (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: 05-18-08 16:09
No, I think he's just rude and obnoxious, also egotistical and small.
Here's a clip of him repeatedly being a butthole to Jon Stewart. He mentions that he's one of the four most powerful men in the country, as well as putting down Jon Stewart's intellect and being resentful that Stewart got an interview that he didn't get.
Here's a clip of him coaching Mike Wallace on how to "wipe [Colbert] off the set." Because they're such great friends and all.
I saw this user comment and found it a propos for this thread:
What puzzles me most is how some Americans think Bill is Mr. "Fair & Balanced". I know he drinks his own bath water, whacks to his reflection in the toilet, but why are other people enamored with his obloviated bullsh*t?
XO
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Author: J G (---.nrflva.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-18-08 16:12
What I don't understand is how people can take those comments so seriously, like one of the most powerful men in the country and such.
It's blatant humor... I'm one of O'Reilly's viewers. I don't think its true and don't think he believes that.
He says those types of comments to known comedians.. (Stewart, Colbert, etc.) and is just setting them up to respond however they will.
In both the Stewart and Colbert clips referenced in these clips, he ends both of them with saying he'll be on their shows later that night.
It's friggin' humor. He doesn't say that type of stuff to serious political figureheads he interviews like Hillary Clinton a few weeks ago or McCain last week...
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Author: Xavier Onassis (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: 05-18-08 16:19
OK, so that coaching convo with Mike Wallace was on how to be great pals with Colbert? Or verbally dominate him?
It's easy to take his comments about how important he is seriously because he says them without a trace of irony, while denigrating the person he's interviewing. If he'd ever compliment Stewart in any way, or note his own shortcomings it'd be different.
Sorry JG, your friend's a jerk.
XO
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Author: J G (---.nrflva.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-18-08 16:22
He's not my friend. Come on...
I just agree with most of his stances (which mesh with mine as stated above), and enjoy how he doesn't let most talking heads get away with spinning.
And being a regular viewer, he does admit his mistakes and his faults... I just think that his segments with known comedians are set up exactly the way they are purposefully. If Stewart and Colbert thought he was being serious... it's doubtful they would have appeared.
::shrug::
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Author: J G (---.nrflva.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-18-08 16:25
... oh, and both your links point to the same interview with Jon Stewart. I forgot to mention that.
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Author: Xavier Onassis (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: 05-18-08 17:04
and enjoy how he doesn't let most talking heads get away with spinning.
See, that's the thing: he's the one doing the spinning. This concept of him as the standardbearer of objectivity is downright bizarre.
My apologies about the Mike Wallace link. Should be fixed now.
XO
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Author: J G (---.nrflva.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-18-08 17:11
I don't hold him as the standard-bearer of objectivity. I've never said that, and I've also never said I agree with everything he says. I've only said that I agree with some things he says, and enjoy not letting pundits backtrack themselves through a BS answer.
Dare I ask... Have you read his book, Culture Warrior? It may give a little clearer idea of how he thinks.
Sure, some people may say they'd never pick it up, but reading often helps people from all points of view understand someone better.
If not, check it out.
As for the Wallace clip... Bill was giving Wallace interview tips because he had just done Colbert's show. Bill said he (Colbert) wasn't a mean-spirited guy, didn't say anything negative abotu him personally and told him what to expect when he goes on the show. So what?
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Author: Ryan McManigal (---.prod-infinitum.com.mx)
Date: 05-18-08 17:12
Stewart remains to be one of my top five choices to have a beer with. O'Reilly seems to believe you should be over the age of 40 to be able to vote. Stewart pokes fun on his show in a light hearted comical manner while O'Reilly is a just a vicious @!#$.
O'Reilly should realize that even though Stewart's audience is a younger crowd, they are still showing interest in politics by watching political comedy and are the up and coming generation.
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Author: J G (---.nrflva.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-18-08 17:17
Ryan said, "Stewart remains to be one of my top five choices to have a beer with."
That makes a great point. Stewart doesn't report news. He's a comedian.
What scares me is that a lot of people who watch Stewart think he's reporting the news.
O'Reilly just comes across as an a$$ because he doesn't take BS from people while reporting the actual... news.
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Author: J G (---.nrflva.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-18-08 17:18
Awww, I messed up the italics.
Ryan said, "Stewart remains to be one of my top five choices to have a beer with."
That makes a great point. Stewart doesn't report news. He's a comedian.
What scares me is that a lot of people who watch Stewart think he's reporting the news.
O'Reilly just comes across as an a$$ because he doesn't take BS from people while reporting the actual... news.
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Author: Xavier Onassis (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: 05-18-08 17:34
Dare I ask... Have you read his book, Culture Warrior? It may give a little clearer idea of how he thinks.
See above where I mentioned when I see dog poo on the sidewalk I don't stop and sniff it.
As for the Wallace clip... Bill was giving Wallace interview tips because he had just done Colbert's show. Bill said he (Colbert) wasn't a mean-spirited guy, didn't say anything negative abotu him personally and told him what to expect when he goes on the show. So what?
His primary advice is "don't take any crap from him" which segues into how Wallace can "wipe him off the set."
But you know, it's really clear. You only see what you want to see. I've gotten a lot of clarity on the massive thinking disorder in this country by talking politics on this board over the last few weeks.
XO
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Author: Liza B. (---.c3-0.avec-ubr15.nyr-avec.ny.cable.)
Date: 05-18-08 17:34
"O'Reilly just comes across as an a$$ because he doesn't take BS from people while reporting the actual... news."
O'Reilly is no newscaster. He's a right wing commentator who actually distorts the news and current events to fit his own transparent agenda.
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Author: J G (---.nrflva.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-18-08 17:42
Liza--the same person who thinks Bill Clinton was removed from office... Ugh
Xavier,
You haven't read his book, so resorting to a very intellectually stimulating comment such as "dog poo" (and you're talking to me about massive thinking disorder?) doesn't really work. All you know about Bill is from a few 30 second YouTube clips. If you'd read his book, I'd love for you to come back and tell me what you disagree with, but since you won't... oh well. That's what this country is coming to, people who would rather debate what they know about someone based on 30 second YouTube clips rather than picking up a book the person wrote and debating their positions. Awesome.
I think you just don't like him because he gets in the way of perpetuating a radical progressive movement which I would wager you support.
Thank God that the majority of the country doesn't think like the radical left youtube generation so humorously represented here on Writers net.
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Author: Ryan McManigal (---.prod-infinitum.com.mx)
Date: 05-18-08 17:57
J G,
I'm sure youtube has videos supporting your unique view as well so saying it's home to the radical left is unfounded.
It's simply a site that anyone can use to host videos for free for anyone on the internet to use.
If we don't agree with his demeanor from the videos we've seen then we definitely wouldn't want to make him a dime on a book sale or even read a page for that matter. Expressing views is one thing, being a pr1ck is another.
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Author: Ryan McManigal (---.prod-infinitum.com.mx)
Date: 05-18-08 18:03
But to his defense, the reason he probably has his own show is because he's such a pr1ck and that's what sets him apart. J G, I think you're listening to only his words or arguments that you agree with and are neglecting his lack of human character.
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Author: Liza B. (---.c3-0.avec-ubr15.nyr-avec.ny.cable.)
Date: 05-18-08 18:06
And who can forget Bill O'Reilly's racist comments after his visit to the restaurant, Sylvia's, up in Harlem:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7kpnTfTCIic
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Re: Not for Bill O'Reilly Fans... |
Author: Xavier Onassis (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: 05-18-08 18:06
Ryan
Do you notice how JG and the *ssclown both frequently use the terms "radical" and "radical left" while claiming to be centrists themselves?
XO
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Re: Not for Bill O'Reilly Fans... |
Author: Xavier Onassis (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: 05-18-08 18:32
Wow, I've never had any respect for Geraldo before. Thanks for posting that.
Do you notice how O'Reilly puts words in Rivera's mouth? ("You want anarchy"). Ever seen that tactic before?
XO
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Re: Not for Bill O'Reilly Fans... |
Author: Ce Ce (---.clt.bellsouth.net)
Date: 05-18-08 18:40
But you know, it's really clear. You only see what you want to see. I've gotten a lot of clarity on the massive thinking disorder in this country by talking politics on this board over the last few weeks.
Some of us don't share that thinking disorder, XO. There've been times in the last seven years when my friends and I seriously discussed leaving this country. When lunatic idiots are running your country, it's hard as hell to watch helplessly.
I think you just don't like him because he gets in the way of perpetuating a radical progressive movement which I would wager you support.
See, there's a phrase in that I find absolutely fascinating. ... radical progressive ...
Let's think about that for a moment. Radical: 1 primary; fundamental. 2 far-reaching; thorough. 3 revolutionary.
Progressive: 1 moving forward. 2proceeding step-by-step; cumulative. 3 a favoring or implementing rapid progress or social reform. b modern.
So ... moving forward rapidly is a bad thing?
What -- people against "radical" progression are afraid they'll miss the bus?
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Re: Not for Bill O'Reilly Fans... |
Author: Mark Phillips (---.col.wideopenwest.com)
Date: 05-18-08 18:41
JG,
I love how your response to my debunking the "independent thing" was to mention that Franken owes back taxes. Those kind of misguided distraction tactics are exactly what O'Reilly does so it's clear you watch his show.
I've read culture warrior, I think he blows everything out of proportion.
Here's my opinion, O'Reilly is a little more to the center than say Sean Hannity, but he's still right wing, he did an interview with Kirk Cameron where he made fun of the big bang theory and evolution, so I don't see how he supports evolution as you claim.
He's not friends with Colbert or Stewart nor would I expect him to be. I why don't you get off Liza's back about the Clinton thing. Everytime she brings up a point you go back to that. Most of your posts in the past have been pretty fair minded but in your dealings with Liza you're being an ass.
It's easy to attack someone when you don't have a rational response to their logical points, but is also immature and weak.
Mark
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Author: Xavier Onassis (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: 05-18-08 18:44
O'Reilly states his agenda.
O'Reilly (to McCain): Do you understand what the New York Times wants, and the far left want? They want to break down the white, Christian, male power structure, of which you're a part, and so am I.
They can both bite me.
XO
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Author: Xavier Onassis (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: 05-18-08 18:50
Some of us don't share that thinking disorder, XO.
Oh, I know it wouldn't be you, Ce Ce :)
And yes, "radical progressive," one of the many silly things he's said on this thread and others.
XO
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Author: J G (---.norf.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-18-08 18:56
Ryan said, "I'm sure youtube has videos supporting your unique view as well so saying it's home to the radical left is unfounded."
I was talking about Writers Net being home to radical left whackos.. not youtube.
I see that my last post (some 10 posts back) stirred up a lot of sentiment!
I hit a nerve.
Radical left-wing progressives = people who think "doves" are the answer to everything.. think that everyone will sit down and talk with us... think that their side of an argument doesn't contain the same radicals they accuse the right of having...
think that going from the extreme right to the extreme left is the answer to our country's problems.
Puke.
And before anyone cares to respond, I'll just reiterate some of my stances again:
I'm pro-choice, agree with most aspects of evolution, agree with common-sense gun control, agree that same-gender couples should have the same equality and legal rights as opposite-gender couples, and I happen to be a Christian--one of many and no faiths in this country and world, which I've seen a lot of.
I've found a good deal of common ground on the O'Reilly show AND ON OTHER OUTLETS WITH SHOWS HOSTED BY OTHER PEOPLE.
So there you have it. And again, I'm so glad that the majority of the country don't think the way a lot of you people do.
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Re: Not for Bill O'Reilly Fans... |
Author: Xavier Onassis (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: 05-18-08 19:01
Radical left-wing progressives = people who think "doves" are the answer to everything... think that their side of an argument doesn't contain the same radicals they accuse the right of having...
Actually JG
Has anyone here referred to the "radical right"? You're the one throwing the word radical around, then in typical Fox viewer fashion, projecting that as persecution onto yourself.
Sorry you don't like the people on this board. Unfortunately a lot of writers are also thinkers, rather than dittoers.
XO
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Re: Not for Bill O'Reilly Fans... |
Author: Mark Phillips (---.64-250-135.bignet.net)
Date: 05-18-08 19:02
JG,
You never responded to me.
Mark
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Re: Not for Bill O'Reilly Fans... |
Author: J G (---.norf.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-18-08 19:03
Over the course of this thread and the John McCain thread, plenty of people have accused the right of things that they apparently don't think occur on the left.
I'm referring to some of you as the radical left because you are as evidenced by your opinions.
/shrug
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Re: Not for Bill O'Reilly Fans... |
Author: J G (---.norf.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-18-08 19:06
Mark,
I brought up the things I did about Franken because they go to his credibility, of which, he has none.
I also keep bringing up Liza's comment about how she thought Clinton was removed from office, because when she attempts to take part in political discussions, that also goes to her credibility.
Too much Stewart/YouTube debating going on here... :-(
And you said you thought O'Reilly blows things out of proportion on his book.
We're FINALLY getting close here to actually discussing O'Reilly's stances on political topics. Care to elaborate?
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Re: Not for Bill O'Reilly Fans... |
Author: Xavier Onassis (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: 05-18-08 19:07
And again, I'm so glad that the majority of the country don't think the way a lot of you people do.
Hey I keep meaning to ask you, how did you get this spokesmodel job? Is that a paying gig, or pro bono? You must be one amazing guy. I can't imagine being able to know with such certainty the consensus of hundreds of millions of people.
XO
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Author: J G (---.norf.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-18-08 19:08
That's it Xavier?
No response to any of my replies to your challenges?
Typical liberal.
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Re: Not for Bill O'Reilly Fans... |
Author: Xavier Onassis (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: 05-18-08 19:15
Boy, you get snarky when repeatedly pinned to the mat. Love all the name calling.
You haven't replied to my questions. Who here has used the phrase "radical right"? How many people have YOU called radicals here? How many years in the military did Orally serve?
XO
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Re: Not for Bill O'Reilly Fans... |
Author: J G (---.norf.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-18-08 19:17
Oh please, get off the stage.
I referred to the radical left, which you took personally.
It was from then on that you've gone off on these tangents that don't have anything to do with the topic at hand.
Either get back on topic or start sharing something worth my time.
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Re: Not for Bill O'Reilly Fans... |
Author: Simon Says (---.socal.res.rr.com)
Date: 05-18-08 19:17
Thinking the war is wrong, or believing that diplomacy should be part of our foreign policy even when dealing with nations who are "enemies" is neither dovish nor radical.
But the Hannity's and the O'Reilly's of the world slap those labels around over and over again when anyone has that point of view. (side note is this part of O'Reilly's "comedy" is Hannity a comedian too? Is O'Reilly satirizing Hannity when he tosses the label around?")
It's similar to that Chris Matthews - Kevin James clip from this week where James was foaming at the mouth over the idea of appeasement - when he clearly had no idea what specific actions that Chamberlain took before WWII and what made them appeasement.
Appeasement is NOT talking to the enemy (that's known as diplomacy) appeasement is acquiescing - placating, giving into demands.
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Author: Ryan McManigal (---.prod-infinitum.com.mx)
Date: 05-18-08 19:18
lol, he call people that believe in evolution secular pin heads.
Claiming we have had 150 year to figure it out and we haven't done it yet so what's taking so long.
Intelligent design is a fancy word for religion and has had 2000 years to prove their case! Evolution has a mountain of evidence in comparison. haha, what a jackass!
O'Reilly supporting intelligent design
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Re: Not for Bill O'Reilly Fans... |
Author: J G (---.norf.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-18-08 19:18
Simon Says said (heh): "Thinking the war is wrong, or believing that diplomacy should be part of our foreign policy even when dealing with nations who are "enemies" is neither dovish nor radical."
I never said that. But, it's the left who wants to go from one extreme to the other. Knee-jerk military action to pacifism.
Wrong.
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Author: J G (---.norf.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-18-08 19:20
And to Ryan,
Religion and evolution are not mutually exclusive.
The radical right and radical left would want you to think so however.
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Re: Not for Bill O'Reilly Fans... |
Author: Simon Says (---.socal.res.rr.com)
Date: 05-18-08 19:31
JG you act like these are the views of mainstream of the democratic party
The make love not war faction of the party mostly became yuppies in the 80's. The hard left, may still hold that view - just as the hard right holds their fringe views. But the democratic party is not looking to sing kumbaya with Ahmadinejad to get him to stop developing nukes.
Did you watch any of the Democratic debates - not one of the candidates took military action off the table as an option - all of them supported a strong military - a stronger one than we now have thanks to Bush's policies. The democratic candidates for the most part look at war as a last resort - which is really how all civilized nations should function - try to resolve and negotiate before sending your young men to die.
Again I have to wonder where you get your information because it clearly doesn't come from what any of the candidates have said or the party platforms of the past few elections.
Hint: Just because Karl Rove says it doesn't mean it's true, in fact if it comes from Rove, there's a good chance that it's a lie.
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Re: Not for Bill O'Reilly Fans... |
Author: J G (---.norf.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-18-08 19:36
Simon,
I did watch all of the Democratic debates, and loved them. I'm still considering voting Democratic, and I know none of them took possible military action off the table. I'm not worried about them, I'm just worried about the fringe radicals (LEFT & RIGHT, caps for emphasis).
And how many more friggin' times do I have to say I don't like Karl Rove, but just posted the link because the stories about McCain in it are no secret.
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Re: Not for Bill O'Reilly Fans... |
Author: J G (---.norf.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-18-08 19:37
.. and like I said in the other thread... I have to head out to cook dinner. I'll be back later. Have fun!
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Re: Not for Bill O'Reilly Fans... |
Author: Xavier Onassis (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: 05-18-08 19:37
Either get back on topic or start sharing something worth my time.
Yes your majesty. I will now begin following your commands. No wonder you think Orally's a good guy, you went to the same charm school.
Oh please, get off the stage.
HUH? LOL After you.
I referred to the radical left, which you took personally.
Wow, you really DO believe you're omniscient! You know what I've experienced, and even what I think. Seriously, does it ever make your brain hurt, knowing everything?
You're being weaselly here. You complain about things being done to you that in actuality, you've done to others. I don't care if you, Orally and every dittohead in America call me radical left. It's just more of the same.
Seriously, you're the one not answering my specific questions. Like this one:
Hey I keep meaning to ask you, how did you get this spokesmodel job? Is that a paying gig, or pro bono? You must be one amazing guy. I can't imagine being able to know with such certainty the consensus of hundreds of millions of people.
XO
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Re: Not for Bill O'Reilly Fans... |
Author: J G (---.norf.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-18-08 19:39
Since you're repeating yourself, Xavier, I will too, for your benefit:
I've never said I'm omniscient or assumed I am. Such sarcastic comments don't lend to the conversation. I clearly ruffled your feathers when you took my reference to the radical left personally, which is a shame, because you are now lending nothing to the debate.
And you clearly don't understand what I'm saying because you're incorrectly assuming I only support a war paradigm.
Let me try again:
I do not agree with knee-jerk military action, nor pacifism.
Extremes. Get it? I don't like them.
I like real solutions to real problems. Some require military action, some can be solved quicker, easier and more productively through diplomacy.
I've outlined my stances in the other thread, have reiterated here my disdain for extremism, and have also reiterated my support for appropriate action to various problems.
So... do you still have a problem with anything? Or, are you going to keep saying I'm an omniscient warmonger... or something.
(Typical Writers Net debate... how sad)
I have to head out to cook dinner, so... have fun.
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Author: Liza B. (---.c3-0.avec-ubr15.nyr-avec.ny.cable.)
Date: 05-18-08 19:49
"why don't you get off Liza's back about the Clinton thing. Everytime she brings up a point you go back to that. Most of your posts in the past have been pretty fair minded but in your dealings with Liza you're being an ass."
That's because poor JG is unable to refute any of my points about his hero, O'Reilly, so he lamely tries to attack my credibility instead. You know, the sophomoric "Kill the Messenger" tactic. Yeah, I could have explained that I was typing to quickly, and meant to write that the Repugs "attempted" to kick Clinton out of office, but that would be way too easy. And why explain the obvious to a doodyhead? Besides, I love watching JG continue to make a horse's ass out of himself!!!
<refills popcorn bucket>
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Author: Liza B. (---.c3-0.avec-ubr15.nyr-avec.ny.cable.)
Date: 05-18-08 19:55
* "too" quickly, that is.
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Re: Not for Bill O'Reilly Fans... |
Author: J G (---.nrflva.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-18-08 20:54
Nice attempt to explain away your ignorance, Liza. You blatantly typed that you thought Bill Clinton got kicked out of office. No typos. Just ignorance.
And Liza, I can't refute anything, because you have yet to tell me which of Bill's *political stances* you take issue with..
You just call him a meanie head and send me a link to a search engine's results.
Anyway.. Dinner was good!
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Re: Not for Bill O'Reilly Fans... |
Author: Liza B. (---.c3-0.avec-ubr15.nyr-avec.ny.cable.)
Date: 05-18-08 21:27
You're doing exactly what XO pointed out - arrogantly assuming you know what I'm experiencing, thinking, and even worse, arguing with me over what I just wrote the truth is. In other words, you've just called me a liar. I suppose that's an improvement over when you called me a c*nt, but not much of one. And you have the nerve to criticize XO for a word she used? LOL. And it's obvious why you're beating this Clinton thing to death to everybody else but you.
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Re: Not for Bill O'Reilly Fans... |
Author: Mark Phillips (---.64-250-142.bignet.net)
Date: 05-18-08 21:32
JG,
For a centrist, your arguments on here are quite extreme, I'm guessing someone hit a nerve with Bill O'Reilly. You must really like him. I say this because normally your arguments are less attacking, more reasoned and more in line with logic.
By the way, telling me that Al Franken owes back taxes does not impune his credibility on the subject of O'reilly. I could bring up, for instance, O'reilly's (a good christian) sexual harrassment case, the phone tapes that leaked out or his lying about winning a Peabody award. I don't do those things because they are beside the point and immaterial to this discussion. From a centrist, I would expect the same level of debate from you.
There are many places where he goes overboard in his book, but I'll pick one. The "war on Christmas". This is such a gross overstatement, brought on by the fact that some stores use the phrase happy holidays instead of merry christmas. Yes, this is such a horrible offense that one should harp on it nearly every night on his show during the holiday season.
Mark
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Re: Not for Bill O'Reilly Fans... |
Author: Ce Ce (---.clt.bellsouth.net)
Date: 05-18-08 21:59
... agree with most aspects of evolution ...
So which aspects of evolution don't you agree with, JG?
Honestly curious.
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Re: Not for Bill O'Reilly Fans... |
Author: Ryan McManigal (---.prod-infinitum.com.mx)
Date: 05-18-08 22:19
XO is a girl?
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Re: Not for Bill O'Reilly Fans... |
Author: Liza B. (---.c3-0.avec-ubr15.nyr-avec.ny.cable.)
Date: 05-18-08 22:22
Sorry....yet another typo!
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Re: Not for Bill O'Reilly Fans... |
Author: J G (---.nrflva.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-18-08 22:25
Liza,
I was just pointing out that you thought Bill Clinton was removed from office:
"Um.....Bill Clinton got kicked out of office over a blow job. Haven't you been reading the papers?"
Read up a little, Liza
That's very relevant when someone wants to engage in a political discussion. In other words, you apparently have no idea what you're talking about.
That, AND the fact that you STILL won't tell me what about his political stances you disagree with. Again, just 30 minute youtube clips and a search engine result.
*****
Mark,
No, I haven't personally attacked anyone here. I have justifably challenged Liza's credibility (as you read above) and referred to the "radical left," which some people chose to take personally.
How are my arguments extreme? I'm just hoping that people don't form their political opinions based on 30 minute youtube soundbites, Jon Stewart, etc.
Sure, people may very well say the same thing about Bill O'Reilly, but I still haven't come across one person in this thread tell me what stance Bill O'Reilly takes that they disagree with...
They call him a bully, a hypocrite, etc.. But what about his political stances do they disagree with?
As far as your point about Bill O'Reilly's sex assault lawsuit.. That's a very good point and one that I can't and won't try to debate.
I'm not passing judgements here on people (except for Liza who attempts to engage me while thinking Clinton got removed from office), I'm simply wanting people to tell me what they disagree with...
Every time I try to get people to tell me, they just go on and on and on and on and on and on about how O'Reilly is a meany head.
*****
CeCe,
I agree with micro-evolution, rather than macro-evolution which contends that some species make broad leaps from one species to another.
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Re: Not for Bill O'Reilly Fans... |
Author: Mark Phillips (---.64-250-146.bignet.net)
Date: 05-18-08 22:29
JG,
I just told you one thing about O'Reilly I disagreed with. The whole "war on christmas thing" I'm curiously to hear your thoughts.
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Re: Not for Bill O'Reilly Fans... |
Author: J G (---.nrflva.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-18-08 22:34
Sorry Mark!
Everything runs together after a while.
Remember the PC charade a few years back that was running rampant all over the country? Stores telling employees not to wish people Merry Christmas, schools not being able to label certain breaks for holidays and such?
I think there was some truth in that.
Its a very curious irony. "Don't push your religious beliefs on me, but let me push my lack of beliefs on you!!"
Maybe I'm wrong, but the stores and schools example I referenced above may point to me being right.. at least on that one topic.
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Re: Not for Bill O'Reilly Fans... |
Author: Mark Phillips (---.64-250-146.bignet.net)
Date: 05-18-08 22:43
No, JG, I know you're correct about the stores thing. I'm not sure about the schools. The only thing I can speak about schools is my own experience. I used to work at an elementary school that had a high population of muslim and asian children. Whites were the minority. When the holidays came around we put up signs that said happy holidays but under those signs were several dipictions of various religions holidays from that time of year. Christmas was included in those. I saw no problem with it and none of the kids seemed to care.
To me, that's a fairly good solution.
As far as the stores go, in my opinion they can do whatever they want and it won't change my personal beliefs. Say merry christmas, happy holidays, happy channuka (sp?) or whatever because what a clerk says to be in a store is not going to change my religious beliefs. To me, that's why he goes overboard. When he railed on the stores for doing that, I thought, who cares Bill? Does it effect society? No it doesn't. In fact, I thought he drew unneeded attention to it and made it a big deal.
The other thing I don't like about O'Reilly is that he uses the phrase "cut and run" a lot when talking about people that want to withdraw from Iraq. For someone who lives in the "no spin" zone, that's a lot of spinning. The phrase "cut and run" is a political talking point and a massive oversimplification for personal beliefs held by some as to what the correct course of action is in Iraq.
Mark
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Re: Not for Bill O'Reilly Fans... |
Author: Simon Says (---.socal.res.rr.com)
Date: 05-18-08 22:53
I don't think the stores were trying to be PC, I think they were trying to be considerate of those who might celebrate something other than Christmas. Happy Holidays, Seasons Greetings - is still a message of good wishes. It's not exactly an insult to Christians, as the culture warriors made it out to be.
I mean Christmas at its' core has nothing to do with shopping anyway, so what the f does it matter what's printed on the Macy's shopping bag or what the salesgirl says as she puts your sweater in the bag?
It's a non issue turned into an issue by idiots like O'Reilly, And it's more reminiscent of the Islamist extremist world-view than a patriotic American's.
I gotta say, JG, I'm actually surprised that you buy into the crap O'Reillly peddles, I honestly believed that only those with marginal IQs and no education took tools like him seriously.
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