Tate Publishing & Enterprises |
Author: Ryan Tate (---.ok.ok.cox.net)
Date: 09-26-05 16:03
My name is Ryan Tate and I am the president of Tate Publishing & Enterprises in Oklahoma. My office was recently made aware of some comments that were made on this forum about our company and I wanted to give every person interested the opportunity to get all of their questions answered. It is the goal of Tate Publishing to serve all authors and help them to make it to print while supporting them every step of the way. I have read some of the comments posted on these sites and could not disagree with them more. We do a wonderful job of working wiht authors evey day and are succedding on an incredible level in partnership with our authors. I would really encourgae anyone who would like to speak with us to call at anytime. We would love to talk with you. We reject nearly 95% of the manuscripts we receive for production so I feel that the angry comments might be becasue of that issue. Once again, please call our office at (405) 376-4900 or toll free at 1-888-361-9473 or e-mail us at info@tatepublishing.com if you have any questions. Thanks, Ryan Tate
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Re: Tate Publishing & Enterprises |
Author: Texas Poet (---.statefarm.com)
Date: 09-26-05 16:52
This would fall under the classification of an advertisment under the rules of this message board. I would repectfully request that this posting be deleted. From my personal point of view, the biggest problem the company has is backing up their claims. As to the 95% rule, the turn downs are more than likely the folks that do not have the $4000 to risk on about $500 worth of services. Interesting question? Why are they not even members of the BBB that services their community after being in business for so many years?
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Re: Tate Publishing & Enterprises |
Author: Texas Poet (---.statefarm.com)
Date: 09-26-05 17:09
There is an "old saying"...."Thou protest too much". Fellow Board members this board is about us as a group protecting each other, let our e-mails indicate our displeasure with this company using our boards for advertising....a wonderful display of a lack of ethics on their part.
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Re: Tate Publishing & Enterprises |
Author: Ryan Tate (---.ok.ok.cox.net)
Date: 09-26-05 17:35
We were contacted by Hamish Gilbertson the editor/moderator of this site and he told us to make sure that we addressed the forum and had a presence. I am sorry that this offends you, but you shouldn't be allowed to say negative things without any level of accountability. I would like to address your questions. We are members of our local Chamber of Commerce as well as associated with writing guilds, but we have never felt that joining the BBB was worth our time. John, why are you still so mad? I thought you were happy last time you talked with us. Also, you can't limit nor order people to do what you want in these forums, that is the exact purpose of these forums.
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Re: Tate Publishing & Enterprises |
Author: Richard - (---.ny-newyorkc0.sa.earthlink.net)
Date: 09-26-05 17:49
Hi Tex,
Look, a publisher like Dorance and problably Tate will edit, design and print a beautiful book for you. They might even send out advance review copies to newspapers and magazines -- and maybe your family and friends. The problem comes in when you realize there is no distribution service for your book. Only your immediate, nearby bookswtores will stock the book or sell it on consignment. I your case, I would give Tate consideration, if you have the money. It's just a matter of self-image. If you want to be "the author of a great peotry book" in the eyes of your friends and aquaintances, then Tate is fine. If you want to write for large audiences and be a significant writer, then you'll have to find a publisher who will publish you and promote you.
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Re: Tate Publishing & Enterprises |
Author: Texas Poet (---.161.166.57.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net)
Date: 09-26-05 20:12
Thank you again for your response. You have summed up my quest for the last thirty days with your knowledge and experience. For that I am very thankful. My final decision is to go face to face with some flesh and blood publishing companies in Dallas, Texas. I understand their are some fine companies there. As to my book, the work is God's work, deserving of a quality book, that is why I elected to not go with Tate, even when they offered me a publishing contract. Value to me as to the book becoming a best seller is not important. I especially do not want to insult my Lord, by having the book published by some company whose goal to take and give back as little as possible to to others in personal service while so called "publishing the book". Since the so called moderators of this site is allowing Tate to further crash these boards, this is my last visit. My best to all of you.
[Please Note: Ryan Tate, President of Tate Publishing, takes issues with some comments in this post: "I can assure you we are not a "con" nor do we "try to give back as little as possible." (Hamish -WritersNet)]
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Re: Tate Publishing & Enterprises |
Author: Richard - (---.hcps.org)
Date: 09-27-05 07:21
Hi Tex,
Seriously, I think Tate might be a good choice for you. They are Christian oriented. Roy, I fought the law and the law won. (I shot the sheriff but I did not shoot the deputy.) Arguing with people who believe in something is pointless. IMO! Of course, you might like a good fist fight now and then. I used to but chaged my mind. I just want peace and quiet.
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Re: Tate Publishing & Enterprises |
Author: Hamish (WritersNet) (---.jetstream.xtra.co.nz)
Date: 09-28-05 20:50
To be absolutely clear:
In response to a request from Tate that I remove posts critical of their organization, I suggested that they give their side of the story.
Hamish (WritersNet)
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Re: Tate Publishing & Enterprises |
Author: Douglas Ray (---.nw-tel.com)
Date: 09-29-05 17:47
Tate Publishing charges $4000 for their "services?" That is total B.S., if its true. How can they possibly justify it? At least PublishAmerica is free, and that $4000 would go a long way towards advertising & promotion. And honey, I ain't no fan of Publish America!!!
Douglas R.
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Re: Tate Publishing & Enterprises |
Author: Ann Crispin (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: 09-30-05 13:25
Tate Publishing is a vanity press. Writer Beware has advised them that we believe they should reveal their true nature right on their website, rather than omitting that crucial fact until authors have contacted them and submitted a book.
We've received quite a few complaints about Tate Publishing, and the fact that they don't reveal their true nature upfront is the reason for those complaints.
Mr. Tate wrote to me, asking Writer Beware to re-examine our dismissal of Tate as a vanity publisher, and possibly even recommend them to authors. (Neither is likely to happen. For one thing, Writer Beware doesn't "recommend" any publishers. We just give the facts as we know them.)
Mr. Tate told me he believes that his company does a good job of producing the books their authors pay to have published. I told Mr. Tate about the complaints we've received. Mr. Tate said he would consider updating their website to reflect Writer Beware's request for "truth in advertising." I plan to re-check their website in a week or so to see how it reads.
I'll keep you informed as to the outcome.
-Ann C. Crispin
Writer Beware
www.writerbeware.com
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Re: Tate Publishing & Enterprises |
Author: Ryan Tate (---.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net)
Date: 10-01-05 10:55
Thanks Ann,
We will keep you posted with any changes to our website. Yes, we ask for an initial author investment fee. (For more information vsist our website www.tatepublishing.com and request more information) However, we do return that fee when an authors work has sold 5000 copies, that has happened with 5 authors this year alone and we have several others that we feel will receive their investment back by the end of this year. Also, we don't require any minimum book purcase, offer some of the highest royalties, market directly to the book stores, (we ask our authors to please not contact book stores becasue the large chains want to deal with publishers, distribtors, and wholesalers not authors in regards to stores carrying their books)we pay for all of the books bought, sold, and warehoused, and we only accept between 3-6% of the manuscripts we receive each year for publication (last year we received over 15,000 manuscripts). We enter into partnerships with our authors that last for years and we pay for all of the advertising in trade and retail magazines, distibution and wholesaler catalogs and well as represent our authors at all of the industries largest trade shows. The articles ran in Christian Retailing alone can run beween $3500 - $7500 for one month alone, and we pay for that, not our authors. That is why we are selective in the projects we take on. Many other companies out there charge between $10,000-$15,000 with no option of getting your money back for the same services that we provide. Hope this info helps!
Ryan Tate
President, Tate Publishing
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Re: Tate Publishing & Enterprises |
Author: Anthony Ravenscroft (---.cybermesa.com)
Date: 10-01-05 19:04
Simply for comparison (& not intended to call anyone's honesty into question):
I'm one of the partners in a small publishing company. We're very niche, & generally unknown. Our sales are minuscule, we don't pay advances, & our royalties don't look very impressive.
In a slow year, we get more than 600 queries. The most we've ever accepted in a year has been 14. That means we max out at 2.3%. Last year was a bit more typical: 873 queries, 11 accepted, or 1.2%.
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Re: Tate Publishing & Enterprises |
Author: Carol O (---.57.74.40.mpowercom.net)
Date: 10-04-05 12:07
Carol O, what is wrong with niche books, non-fiction and/or Christian-oriented works as you indicate? Don't they too have a place in the market filling a need or niche if you will?
Absolutely nothing. My point (admittedly in combination with several other posts) is that while self-pubbing (and vanity) can lead to some measure of success with niche books, expecting comparable results for general or genre fiction is unrealistic. Shall we discuss taking money from people who a company knows full well won't sell enough to trigger reimbursement? In terms of their business model, an author selling 5,000 is a failure on behalf on the acquisitions department. I'll bet their target is 2,500, which is enough to keep the author distracted trying to get his money back ("I'm half-way there!"). Average sales would be much less, of course.
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Re: Tate Publishing & Enterprises |
Author: Carol O (---.57.74.40.mpowercom.net)
Date: 10-04-05 15:50
Arrgh! That should be in the other thread. *headdesk*
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Re: Tate Publishing & Enterprises |
Author: James Stevens (64.53.74.---)
Date: 10-08-05 09:20
Author James Stevens
What is the problem? I am satisfied with Tate! They sent me a contract for new authors. I understood the contract before I signed it. My book was released on Sept. 27 and since August 1st I have already sold over 400 copies. I thank God everyday for Tate and the work they do. The Bible emphasizes that we are to build one another up, not tear others down. Every author who has signed with Tate knew exactly what was in the contract. They have been upfront and honest with me. They are trying to operate a Christian Ministry and so called Christians should know better than to be trash talking. You are hurting the body of Christ and I am part of that body. I will be praying for you and I will continue to support Tate and pray for them. One person is not going to steal the dream that Tate has for seeing God's word proclaimed. I love you all and may God bless the USA. "He Dwells Among us!" Rev. James Stevens, founder and pastor, Dwelling Ministries
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Re: Tate Publishing & Enterprises |
Author: Anthony Ravenscroft (65.19.17.---)
Date: 10-13-05 05:32
You are hurting the body of Christ
Nonsense. And such slander against Christ -- that an unkind word could somehow damage Him -- certainly doesn't help your case.
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Re: Tate Publishing & Enterprises |
Author: James Stevens (64.53.74.---)
Date: 10-18-05 08:16
I was referring to Tex, assumptions are not facts! His statements are not factual. He said "From my personal point of view..." Of course no one can steal God's glory. Where is the proof that everyone who is turned down is because of the investment. Too broad of a statement for me. My case is that I am trying to spread the gospel through writing and so is Tate. One negative remark may not hinder Christ, but it is not fair to those who are trying to serve Him. We are to build one another up. We must be careful with what we say, since life and death is in the tongue. I love you all and I am sure Tex is a good man. And may God bless the USA! He Dwells Among Us! Rev James Stevens, Pastor and Founder, Dwelling Ministries
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Re: Tate Publishing & Enterprises |
Author: Val Serrie (---.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net)
Date: 05-21-06 20:05
I am a newly-published author working with Tate, and I would like to add my experiences so far into the discussion here.
My book is called, "The Handbook of Everyday Wisdom". It is not necessarily a 'Christian' book - it is about the lessons of life. Originally intended as a guidebook through life for my daughter.
My official release date is May 30th - 9 days from today.
The points made about the $4,000 up-front fee may be valid to some degree. I could have gone with, and did seriously consider, Trafford Publishing. That would have cost abo0ut $1500 for the package I would have wanted. However, there is absolutely no marketing. The author has to market it themselves. That is true self-publishing.
I decided that that would take more time than I have available, and frankly, I thought I would have problems trying to call up bookstores and sell my own product. As someone else here mentioned - bookstores won't even talk to authors directly - they only want to talk to publishers, and distributors, and other industry people.
I decided to go with Tate because they promissed to get it listed with Ingram and other distributors and promote it in ways that I simply couldn't do myself if I went the cheaper self-publishing route.
Perhaps there are better, cheaper methods to do this that I am not aware of. So be it. But once my first book is out there and selling, then I could perhaps be taken more seriously by a publisher for a second book? It's a gamble.
Besides, as mentioned here, Tate promissed to give back the $4000 investment if the book sells 5,000 copies.
Tate has been painted here as some kind of a con artist shop trying to lie and cheat hopeful authors out of $4000 by preying upon their dreams.
Well, that seems a pretty cynical perspective. And yes, their main revenue might be the $4000 from each author, but I don't think so. I think they would like to also make money from selling books.
And so far, I must say they have been true to their word on everything. They did not lie to me about anything. They did exactly what they said they were going to do and when they said they would do it. The book physically turned out beautiful! Well fininshed, well printed, very professional. High quality product.
They certainly didn't just steal my money. The real test comes now with the marketing - this is what will distinguish them from a purely self-publishing outfit. I am open-minded and hopeful about their/our success in that.
I believe they will try.
If it turns out that, now that they have my money, they just plan to sit on the book and forget about it, well then, I supposed the accusations will be proven correct. I hope that doesn't happen. I hope they continue to perform as they promissed. And I was willing to trust them and give them a try.
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Re: Tate Publishing & Enterprises |
Author: David Anderson (---.dr01.wrtn.mn.frontiernet.net)
Date: 10-19-07 11:12
Hello, my family in Christ, for we are shadowed under the same cross, brothers and sisters of the ink, and share a family bonding together. I have signed with Tate Publishing. I want to add that the information shared with me is that Tate will invest over $19,000 into my ms. Now, the way I see it (a bit dazed I'm sure), is that there are really ONLY two issues about my expectations concerning the future of my fantasy piece, The Book of Talyara--The Chronicle of Windwalker. Firstly: Do I believe in the quality and timeliness of my book? Secondly: How well will Tate Publishing throw it's efforts (and part of that $19,000+) into marketing my book and getting it before the public. Cloaking my words with due modesty, I have had fantastic reactions to this work by trial readers. I am hoping to get endorsements from accomplished individuals in the field of writing. I believe that I have delivered a very marketable product to Tate that is written in the style of C.S. Lewis (when I was younger I studied all of his at large writtings, some many times over). Before I entered the ministry, I did very well working in marketing. I will be very eager to see how Tate Publishing does in making my book known. I have two other books published through a regular, small publisher... again, great reviews. However, the books are under dust because this publisher has NO money to promote my books. The CEO feels badly about this, and hopes to ride the shirttails of Tate's marketing of my new book. I take Tate Publishing at its word. It is a Christian organization... not perfect, likely not always completely above board, but seeking to be God pleasing. They also provide an open door for new authors. 95% of the large publishers and agencies won't even look at an unpublished author. Bottom line for my situation is that I think it all depends upon Tate's marketing of my fantasy work. Watch and see... if you never hear or see of it... well...
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Re: Tate Publishing & Enterprises |
Author: David Anderson (---.dr01.wrtn.mn.frontiernet.net)
Date: 10-19-07 11:13
Hello, my family in Christ, for we are shadowed under the same cross, brothers and sisters of the ink, and share a family bonding together. I have signed with Tate Publishing. I want to add that the information shared with me is that Tate will invest over $19,000 into my ms. Now, the way I see it (a bit dazed I'm sure), is that there are really ONLY two issues about my expectations concerning the future of my fantasy piece, The Book of Talyara--The Chronicle of Windwalker. Firstly: Do I believe in the quality and timeliness of my book? Secondly: How well will Tate Publishing throw it's efforts (and part of that $19,000+) into marketing my book and getting it before the public. Cloaking my words with due modesty, I have had fantastic reactions to this work by trial readers. I am hoping to get endorsements from accomplished individuals in the field of writing. I believe that I have delivered a very marketable product to Tate that is written in the style of C.S. Lewis (when I was younger I studied all of his at large writings, some many times over). Before I entered the ministry, I did very well working in marketing. I will be very eager to see how Tate Publishing does in making my book known. I have two other books published through a regular, small publisher... again, great reviews. However, the books are under dust because this publisher has NO money to promote my books. The CEO feels badly about this, and hopes to ride the shirttails of Tate's marketing of my new book. I take Tate Publishing at its word. It is a Christian organization... not perfect, likely not always completely above board, but seeking to be God pleasing. They also provide an open door for new authors. 95% of the large publishers and agencies won't even look at an unpublished author. Bottom line for my situation is that I think it all depends upon Tate's marketing of my fantasy work. Watch and see... if you never hear or see of it... well...
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Re: Tate Publishing & Enterprises |
Author: L C (---.drugs.and.electronic.music.UnderGroundBG.org)
Date: 10-21-08 17:10
So, James, Val, David ...it's been awhile. Care to report on the the marketing Tate has done for your books?
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