Author: Charlie Kinbote
Date:   12-18-04 12:40

This is not a joke.

One of the great things about the internet is that you can put someone's name into a search engine, and their state of residence, and come up with some interesting results.

If you are unsure, for example, about someone's bona-fides - an agent's for instance - or even a new poster at WN - you can Google.

Of course, there is no guarantee that the page the search throws up corresponds to the person you're checking on, but then again - sometimes you just know.

Sometimes, if the google result shows a PDF doc, and you can't read that doc, you can hit 'view as HTML' and read the file.

It's a great help if you find yourself a suspicious of something...

I'm sorry I can't be any more specific than that.

Author: Natalia Cherjovsky
Date:   12-18-04 12:42

Charlie-

Somewhat cryptic *wink*

Author: Natalia Cherjovsky
Date:   12-18-04 12:44

CK-

erm...OK...not cryptic anymore...scary

Author: Charlie Kinbote
Date:   12-18-04 13:00

You can also put in name of a town into a google search along with the State to get a more accurate return.

Author: Robert Raven
Date:   12-18-04 13:09

You can also ask a lot of useful questions about things like, say, manuscript format, query letters, how to get an agent, copyright, etc., and be rewarded with useful information.

BEFORE you start posing the same repetitive questions here.

RR

Author: Vicky Scott
Date:   12-18-04 14:36

Charlie

I just googled Vicky Scott and found that someone by the same name is a porn star! ;-)

Could choosing that sign-in name be something of a Freudian slip on my part? A subconscious wish to be ... WILD? Heaven knows it sounded ordinary enough.

Good idea though,if you google certain names that are associated here with invective (not mine, not mine ;-) you will find them being just as obnoxious on other message boards. So this is obviously how they vent their spleen and get their jollies.



Cheers

Author: Charlie Kinbote
Date:   12-18-04 14:36

Robert - I think you're missing the point: see the above responses to the post...

Author: Charlie Kinbote
Date:   12-18-04 14:39

Vicky - I think you missed it too.

Author: Alaya Johnson
Date:   12-18-04 15:05

Woah...

Oh, the irony.

Author: Denise Kiincy
Date:   12-18-04 15:14

Well, hell. I've read this post three times, and I still don't get who we are supposed to be talking about! Never have been good at playing I Spy. I did google vicky scott and got the porn star thing, but surely if she were really a porn star, she wouldn't have used her real name on here! Maybe she did it as a joke in case somebody did google her name, Vicky's pretty sly that way, aren't you Vicky?

So, could somebody either tell me, or email mail my dumbass and fill me in if it's somebody else? I simply must know!

Author: Mark Ellis
Date:   12-18-04 15:32

Yeah, I don't know what the coyness is all about either. It's public record.

Here you go, Vicky--

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:LWL0Q4wPMmMJ:www.courts.state.pa.us/OpPosting/Superior/out/a39004_99.pdf+donald+fenton+pennsylvania+&hl=en

Author: Denise Kiincy
Date:   12-18-04 15:32

Never mind, I figured it out. Thanks for telling me Charlie, before I got a chance to run my head at all. It's a strange, strange world we live in, Master Jack.


But ha! Now we all know Vicky is a porn star!! NOT

Author: BPM Smith
Date:   12-18-04 15:35

What's up with all the cryptic winking? are you saying everything we post ends up on Google so we should freak out? i don't care much myself.

Author: Charlie Kinbote
Date:   12-18-04 15:36

No BPM: that would not bother me. Try the link Mark posted.

Author: Rose DesRochers
Date:   12-18-04 15:42

new poster at WN - you can Google.

Yes you can type in Rose DesRochers and you will pull up a post of flame wars by a bunch of troll dolls from a forum where they would like to think they are a writing community. I suggest if you do that you read every post on abctales. Maybe perhaps you are talking of my stalker and my reports on rip off report.com. If you are refering to that oh yes do read all that and then go to todays-woman and read the harassing emails from him and the edited photos his wife did of me.

Either way one can not always believe what they read in Google. Google can be as bad as the enquirer. Google can be a wonderful tool or a hurtful tool. I say the best way to find out about a company or a person look at all sides of the situation not just the negative.

You can also search Todays-Woman

Anyway this is a sad topic Charlie.

I'm not sure if I should be insulted or thankful I found out what writers.net was about before investing time here.

I'm out.

Author: Natalia Cherjovsky
Date:   12-18-04 15:45

Rose -

I think you got it all wrong.

-N

Author: Brady Boyd
Date:   12-18-04 15:45

A search for my name yields interesting results. Apparently I am a football and basketball player for Iowa, a track star in Oklahoma, a lacrosse player in California, a preacher, I am a director of golf at the TPC of Tampa Bay, a programmer, a stock car racer, a writer, a Japanese garden enthusiast, and a corpse.

Brady

Author: Denise Kiincy
Date:   12-18-04 15:45

It ain't about you, Rose. Man, everybody needs to figure this out before 25 people air their dirty laundry thinking it's them. (Wait, that might be fun!)

Author: Natalia Cherjovsky
Date:   12-18-04 15:48

Denise -

Indeedy, it might...back to the self-disclosure that Wonky was proposing lol

-N

Author: Rose DesRochers
Date:   12-18-04 15:53

I already aired about me in another post regarding poetryscams.com. Reason I posted here. I have nothing to hide and please no popcorn I'm watching my figure.

Author: Mark Madison
Date:   12-18-04 15:56

I don't know Charlie, is this supposed to be a new discovery?

Author: ByteAudio Bob
Date:   12-18-04 16:01

First, I want to thank you for "seeking to understand",

ByteAudio Bob here - I'll tell you, Google is NO friend of mine! It certainly has exposed me for the scammer that I am. All you have to do is type my name and byteaudio into the search engine and hoo-boy, the stuff you'll find out about me and my antics in Florida, Washington state and Alabama. My revenues have dropped considerably since I was linked with the byteaudio scam, and the BBB is all over my ass - I think Google sucks!

Author: Denise Kiincy
Date:   12-18-04 16:04

Mr. Mark Negativity Madison, it is a new discovery for us. Here have some popcorn and a V-8!

Author: Vicky Scott
Date:   12-18-04 17:22

Thanks Mark (Ellis) for posting the link. This is the reason that smart people keep their identities anonymous on systems like this. Running afoul of certain persons could be very dangerous indeed.

Author: Denise Kiincy
Date:   12-18-04 18:32

You know what's bizarre? This topic is about Google, and it is the only thread on my computer that the whole screen is covered by the postings, without any ads on the side like there always are? Did you piss off the Google gods?

Author: Mark Madison
Date:   12-18-04 18:37

I mean is this a mystery that a name can be googled? Really. That's why some have requested their names not be used even when people know. There's nothing wrong with that. Otherwise 25 pages of MB posts come up.

Author: Greg Wilson
Date:   12-18-04 19:22

WOW.

Okay, that'll be enough discussion on that subject, I guess.

Thanks, Charlie.

G.

Author: Scott peele
Date:   12-18-04 20:23

I may not get this. Is this site about writing or personal destruction? It seems like it's populated with hyenas just waiting for someone to post their work, only to be attacked by a pack of hyena's. I like to look at message boards with a writers theme. Like most people I have an interest how books get published and movies get made.
I've noticed that writers forums tend to be extraordinarily vicious.
I notice writers tend to complain often about their inability to get their work looked at. I'm beginning to understand why. You mean to tell me that you do an internet investigation on people who post a message and do a public lynching?
you seem to be easily offended by something someone posts, but you are okay with you own filthy, obnoxious comments. If I were an agent or a publisher, I would probably do an internet investigation on you to see if you were the type of person I wanted to work with. I've found very few around here. Grow up!

Author: Vicky Scott
Date:   12-18-04 20:33

People who spend a lot of time on message boards, Scott, are generally lonely, bored and frustrated. In other words, they are not well-balanced, happy campers. This is a cheap way to vent their spleen.

Author: J. Samuel Mason
Date:   12-18-04 20:48

Vicky's right. I'm terribly lonely, bored, frustrated and haven't been balanced in years. Nor do I like camping. I certainly fit right in :o)

J.Samuel-

Author: Denise Kiincy
Date:   12-18-04 20:53

Scott, or Donald, as the case may be, since your incoming info just happens to be exactly the same as Donald Fenton's, don't you think the court would frown on the behavior you are displaying here? You know that we know what the deal is, so there's no sense in beating around the bush about it. Maybe you should reconsider your rash and vindictive statements made to a group of writers you just met and pull the reigns in on your anger. I'm sure you don't want to get in anymore trouble. I haven't said a word yet about your memorial, and I actually thought the concept was honorable, but your irrational posts here, which led to this group, which is close and wanted to protect one another from trouble, are making your memorial and all the work you have obviously put into it, far from the focus anymore. You are cutting off your nose to spite your face, I fear.

And, Vicky, not all of us are lonely, bored and frustrated, some people just like to gab. Nothing less, nothing more.

Author: Rose DesRochers
Date:   12-18-04 21:01

ok so I had a Brunette moment. Now I understand. lol

Author: Natalia Cherjovsky
Date:   12-18-04 21:03

Right on Denise...

And so what if I use my real name, here? I have nothing to hide... what are people going to find if they follow the links on google to my posts? Nothing but the same me they know... lol

-N

Author: Vicky Scott
Date:   12-18-04 21:17

Providing that you don't have your real name listed in a phone directory somewhere, Natalia, I would tend to agree. And whether or not you have something to hide is not the point. The fact is, there are a lot of weirdos around, and I, for one, would not want them to know where I live.

Author: Denise Kiincy
Date:   12-18-04 21:20

We aren't listed in the phone book here.

Author: Vicky Scott
Date:   12-18-04 21:51

With the advent of the internet, research has never been easier. For what once would have taken considerable effort and expense to find out, can now be accessed with a couple of taps on the keyboard.

And providing the general area in which one lives is known,(especially if it is a small town) then there are all sorts of records that can be checked quite independent of a phone directory.

If anyone here is familiar with the way that skip tracers work, they'll know what I mean.

Author: Ian Healy
Date:   12-18-04 21:51

I Googled myself one night when I was very bored. The first 77 links were to some Australian cricket player. Good for him. I showed up on the 78th link, though! It was my most recent story published on Mosaic Minds (www.mosaicminds.net). Well, that's better than legal documents, I suppose. ;)

Ian

Author: Denise Kiincy
Date:   12-18-04 22:02

It is easy to be brave from a safe distance.
-Aesop

Author: Vicky Scott
Date:   12-18-04 22:04

It is easy to be brave from a safe distance.
-Aesop

No, it's just smart. ;-)

Author: Denise Kiincy
Date:   12-18-04 22:05

Well, I guess I'm braver than I am smart. And I like that about me.

Author: Vicky Scott
Date:   12-18-04 22:12

I would NEVER let anyone on an internet forum know my real name. For even although I have an unlisted telephone number, I KNOW that they could find me. (and my name is not an uncommon one)It's just so pathetically easy.

There are all kinds of psychotic personalities who are drawn to the seeming anonymity of cyberspace. And some have been known to get on planes and hunt down other posters who have offended them.

So the tip of the day is: If they know your real name, or have anyway of tracking you down, you better tread lightly.

Author: Denise Kiincy
Date:   12-18-04 22:19

"The violent have been victorious through most of history because they kindled the fear with which everyone is born."
-Theodore Zeldin

I ain't skeered.

Author: Denise Kiincy
Date:   12-18-04 22:34

As a matter of fact, I would put dollars to donuts that Mr. Fenton respects my honesty much more than any subtrefuge (sp?), if that is who you are running paranoid circles around.

Author: Vicky Scott
Date:   12-18-04 22:50

It is not paranoid to fear an individual who has already been convicted of making death threats, it's just plain common sense.

However, I was commenting on the general populace of internet chat rooms, and the assorted weirdos they offer, rather than on Mr.Fenton specifically. Who, may merely have the misfortune to carry the same name as the individual mentioned in the court documents.

I dislike the whole concept of trial by internet. Arousing as it does the lynch mob mentality of the more primitive participants.

Author: Gary Kessler
Date:   12-18-04 22:51

Vicky: Good plan. If I were you, I wouldn't connect my real name with some of your postings either. :-)

"And some have been known to get on planes and hunt down other posters who have offended them."

Why, they've even been known to do that to posters they claim to admire. I had a former (I presume) regular poster at both WN and bksp.org do that to me just a couple of months ago. (Kerplow!)

Author: Vicky Scott
Date:   12-18-04 23:00

Vicky: Good plan. If I were you, I wouldn't connect my real name with some of your postings either. :-)

And I haven't. ;-)

For as the saying goes Gary: You can please some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time.

Nobody can. And I guess that's why it's just good common sense to keep ones real identity unknown.

Author: Gary Kessler
Date:   12-18-04 23:08

Don't agree, Vicky. There's not all that much constructive about Web site discussion boards like this other than the passing of reliable, appropriate writing and publishing information, in my opinion--and you can't really have "reliable" and "fake-name adviser whose credentials can't be verified" in the same sentence when you aren't kidding yourself.

Author: Mark Madison
Date:   12-19-04 07:55

While what Gary says is true it's really the information provided that either stands firm or falls of its own volition.

Vicky's under the false assumption that someone wants to contact her. That's yet to be proven.

Imagine, hyenas acting like...hyenas. Astounding.

Author: BPM Smith
Date:   12-20-04 16:16

"Is McDonalds about writing or personal destruction? It seems like it's populated with hyenas just waiting for someone to order a Big Mac."